Tempest still need love.
7 gun (+1) remove a mid for a low to make a real gunboat like huricane or rupy, could be a good idea.

The mega is now designed to become a shield/DPS big boat, like a big talos. Maybe not a great idea, but i'am ont his thread to speak about minmatar boat, and when i see the epic new typhoon, i find the tempest more crap than before, and god, it was already crap. So making it a REAL gunboat armor, (maybe whith short powergrid or cpu to not be able to fit bigger gun too easy, or very small drone bay for the balance) could be a good idea.

Yes, they certainly are. Although as you say the Typhoon is having its unique minmatar flavour wiped away and essentially being turned into an armored raven, it would still be a useful ship for sure.

But that is not the case with the Tempest. I can't see any useful role for it now which either another ships, or simply the maelstrom would perform much better.

Hey guys

We're going to post a few tweaks tomorrow based on feedback from all the threads, minmatar included.

To answer a couple things though -

I think the comparison between the raven and the typhoon is kind of surprising. Both ships will now be able to field 6 missile launchers, so they have that in common, but thats really where it stops. The typhoon is the fastest of all the battleships by a substantial margin. It has the fastest align time and fastest mwd speed of anything available. This strikes me as very 'minmatar'. Along with that, while its losing some of the extreme versatility it had before, it still supplies quite a few options both offensively and defensively, while the Raven is quite clearly a dedicated shield ship.

As for the tempest, I think what we are now looking at is having the tempest be part of the 'attack' category as well as the typhoon. It already behaves more or less like an attack ship, and maybe adding hp and increasing sig wasn't adding much to the overall ship. So we will likely bring the sig back down to near where it was before, take some of the hp back, and increase its speed slightly.

Both ships will still offer flexibility in the way they are used that is fairly unique to minmatar.

Check back for tweaks in the next couple days and keep the feedback coming =)

Thank you for the Tempest. I think that some changes to the slot layout would immensely help the Tempest toward shield tanking. So that we have one Armor Attack BS (Typhoon) and one Shield Attack BS (Tempest).

The extra mid can be used for a track computer . or some soft e -war. OR you could simply bide for a low slot instead of mid :P
7/5/7 would be nice as well.

To be frank I stil woudl prefer tempest as 7/5/7 because then we have an oficial armor tanker (I suspect the phoon will be used much more as a shield FAT BC / FAT stealth bomber.

To be fair.. current tempest proposl has MORE tank thatn current mega proposal. Only the mega low slots cancel that completely. And taht is the problem

My opinion is that EVE has become a specialization game. That means you must be good at something that is your focus.

The tempest is simply stuck into 2 bonuses that do the same thing but still not well enough to compensate its 6 turrets and low drone bay size AND lack of enough low slots to fit tank and several damage modules. its a counter productive ship. All tis bonus goes to damage but all its slots layout produces is a subpar shield tanker or a n armor tanker without possibility for enough damage.

The fact that 1 damage mod makes MORE DIFFERENCE than 1 of the tempest bonus is the reason for that. the tempest with only 1 bonus but +1 free low slot would be STRONGER than it currently is.

Tempest would need a 7th low to compete directly with the megatron in a combat scenario usign its current bonuses. That means -1H +1 low

Or it can be made even more minmatar. Reduce tempest to 7k/7k/6.5k. increase its speed to 125ms. Increase its agility to .11

Or you can make the tempest into a different boat. I would love a really different ship. Something like 7.5% rof per level and 15% AB bonus per level (and reduce its mass to close to megathron levels) . I know its niche, but its very minmatar and would not need any slot changes.

There are lot of options, but the real issue of the tempest is related to its slot layout being inefficient for a damage focused ship ( taking from 2 damage bonus on the hull).

If i was to redesign the minmatar line as a whole. I would have made almost the same typhoon as rise. But would have changed the other 2. Would have made the maelstrom 5% rof 10% hitpoint of shield per level. Slow.. a true SHIP OF THE LINE. Would have made the tempest a 7.5% rof and 7.5% shield boost per level and 7/6/6 or 8/6/5, 100mbit bay. But faster than any battleship But the typhoon.

Also, nothing to dramatic on the Tempest please from my point of view. I think it is looking good at the moment. Perhaps the bonuses could be looked at and a few tweaks to the attributes but I wouldn't want to see a slot layout change personally.

This really doesn't interest me. It doesn't do anything for the Tempest's anemic DPS, doesn't do much for its mobility over Rise's currently proposed change, and pigeon-holes the tempest into a shield fit. Sure, you could still armor tank it, but what, exactly, are you going to do with that extra mid?

* The days of overpowered sensor dampers are long since gone

* Tracking disruptors have also been nerfed for non-bonused ships (and your sig is the size of a small moon anyway).

* The Multispec of DoomGäó hasn't been viable for 7 years (I used to fly with one fit to my Tempest from 2005 until when it got the axe, and it really did need nerfing - I once kept a Blasterthron jammed for an entire fight with just one multispec while I slowly chewed him to pieces).

* Target painters could help somewhat when dealing with smaller opponents, but again they don't have enough of an effect on a non-bonused ship.

I suppose you could use a dual-prop fit and gain a marginal boost when you're scrambled, but since you're a battleship and slow to begin with, it really wouldn't be the most helpful thing in the universe.

Now let's look at what you give up for that single midslot which is nearly useless on an armor fit: 1 heavy neutralizer. It doesn't sound like much, but this can be the difference between capping out your opponent and turning off such unimportant things as the warp scrambler keeping you from MWDing to maintain range and the ancillary armor rep that's keeping him alive, and dying because you weren't able to do those things.

IMO, the only thing worth giving up the second neut for is a 7th turret slot like the Machariel has.

TLDR;
Do. Not. Want.

And can be made into an excelent shield ship.

Another day, no more feedback. And this thread has died a death. The dead horse thoroughly beaten?